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January 5, 2011

Targeting the Sunday People

Filed under: All Posts — brogsblog @ 8:21 pm

Islamic extremists have typically prioritized their victims according to the saying: “first the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.”  What they mean, of course, is that they are going after the Jews first.  But the Christians are next on their hit list.

Yet precisely because of these priorities, there are almost no Jews left to target in Muslim countries.  A series of attacks shortly after the birth of the State of Israel in 1948 persuaded 800,000 Jews to flee these lands for Israel.  Their new home – the Jewish State of Israel — became the terrorists’ top target.

Yet for many militants, Christian minorities at home are more tempting victims than the Jewish state over the horizon.  With increasing frequency and ferocity, these militants are turning against, and massacring, their Christian neighbors.  Over the past few months alone there have been a series of deadly attacks, including:

  • January 1, 2011, Egypt.  A terrorist bombing killed 21 and wounded over 70 Coptic Christian worshippers as they left a New Year’s mass at Saints Church in Alexandria.
  • December 25, 2010, Philippines.  A bomb explosion during Christmas Day mass on the predominantly Muslim island of Jolo wounded a priest and 10 churchgoers.
  • December 24, 2010,  Nigeria.  Christmas Eve assaults killed 32 and injured over 50 Christians in the mixed-faith cities of Jos and Maiduguri.
  • October 31, 2010  Iraq.  Eight terrorists stormed Our Lady of Salvation Church in Bagdad during mass, slaughtering 58 worshippers and two priests.  Afterwards, al Qaeda in Mesopotamia issued a bulletin claiming that “All Christian centers, organizations and institutions, leaders and followers, are legitimate targets.”  

As terrible as these recent attacks have been, they are hardly unique.  As Eden Naby and Jamsheed Chosky wrote in Foreign Policy before the Christmas and New Years attacks, “the massacre in Baghdad is only the most spectacular example of mounting discrimination and persecution of the native Christian communities of Iraq and Iran, which are now in the middle of a massive exodus unprecedented in modern times as they confront a rising tide of Islamic militancy and religious chauvinism sweeping the region.”

An Egyptian mourns next to a blood-stained painting of Jesus after the bomb attack on the Coptic church in Alexandria. Photograph: Mohammed Abed/AFP/Getty Images

Indeed, like the anti-Jewish outbursts over half a century earlier, these attacks on Christians are having the desired effect.  Christians are fleeing the Middle East in record numbers.  The oldest Christian communities on earth – some of which still speak the Aramaic spoken by Jesus — are rapidly disappearing.  The following numbers indicate the extent of the exodus:

  • Nearly two-thirds of the 500,000 Christians in Baghdad have fled or been killed.
  • In Mosul, Iraq, the Christian population has dwindled from approximately 100,000 to a mere 5,000.
  • The number of Assyrian Christians in Iran has fallen from 100,000 to approximately 15,000.

    It should come as no surprise that some of those cheering these attacks have been quick to lie about them.  Some are even blaming their favorite victim: Israel.  A day after the New Year’s attack in Egypt, Iran’s official television outlet, Press TV, announced that Israel’s Mossad spy agency was behind the bombing, and warned of a “fresh plot by terrorists to target churches is an organized Zionist scenario aimed at creating a rift between Muslims and Christians.”  Essam El-Irian, a senior member of Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood, has likewise blamed this massacre on the Mossad.

Yet what is far more surprising – and disappointing – is that too many of those who should know better are also blaming Israel for the plight of Christians in Muslim lands.  When the Pope summoned regional bishops to the Vatican last October to discuss the threat to Christians in the Middle East, they produced a working document which singled out “Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territories” as a central reason why Palestinian Christians are fleeing.  Patriarch Gregory III of Damascus, Syria, went even further, saying that Christian emigration from the Arab world in general is “among the most dangerous effects of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”

When your co-religionists are being slaughtered in cold blood, such political correctness is a dangerous flight from reality.  The fact is that Israeli security measures — such as its fence separating the West Bank from Israel — are a necessary and belated response to the very same Islamic terror that is causing Christians to flee the region.  To blame Israel for the plight of Christians in the West Bank – not to mention beyond – is tantamount to blaming our government for enhanced airport security screening.  It is a confusion of cause and effect.  It is a failure to see clearly the true source of our troubles.

Not only is it wrong to blame Israel for this problem, but the exact opposite is true.  The recent anti-Christian attacks prove a point that we in CUFI have stressed from the very start.    The United States and Israel, Christians and Jews, are facing the same enemies.  The only real linkage that exists in the Middle East is the linkage between the fates of our two nations and our two faiths.  When Israel confronts Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, it is fighting our enemies.  When Israel battles Islamic terror, it is engaging an enemy that will turn its fire on Christians the minute they run out of Jews to kill.  In too many cases, they already are.

When we stand with Israel, we stand with all persecuted religious minorities in the Middle East.  And we shall continue to do so.

David Brog is the executive director of Christians United for Israel and author of a new book, In Defense of Faith: The Judeo-Christian Idea and the Struggle for Humanity.  You can follow David on Facebook by clicking here and on Twitter by clicking here.



  1. Is it unreasonable of the Jews to insist on safe borders?

    Comment by Jens Knudsen — January 5, 2011 @ 10:31 pm

  2. i am glad that you see these Eastern christians & Catholics as christians yes they have some odd doctrin but, their core belif is in yesuah ha mashioch this is only the beginning of the comming persecution of us christians in the comming of the anti christ

    Comment by ken — January 5, 2011 @ 10:32 pm

  3. Quoted “Eight terrorists stormed Our Lady of Salvation Church in Bagdad during mass, slaughtering 58 worshippers and two priests. Afterwards, al Qaeda in Mesopotamia issued a bulletin claiming that “All Christian centers, organizations and institutions, leaders and followers, are legitimate targets.”

    Then why don’t we as Christians exercise the same theology when it comes to their institutions in America and Canada. We can call it the Christian Crusades.

    Comment by brenda — January 5, 2011 @ 10:38 pm

  4. I find it interesting that the politicans and most news organizations fail to seriously discuss these events. People wring their hands and gasp if you talk about the truth of Islam and their fanatics, but feel free to disparage jews and christians. I guess that’s because we don’t assasinate people at the slightest offence.
    As a follower of Yeshua, I think the nation of Israel has the right to posses ALL of the territory the LORD gave them!

    Comment by Gregg Meade — January 5, 2011 @ 11:14 pm

  5. Why don’t we stop allowing Muslims/terrorists into America and Canada and some of our problems will be solved.
    We didn’t have these problems until we started allowing these people to come to our country. Now they see
    the freedoms we have and the good life and they are jealous so they want to attack us. They are attacking
    the God/Jesus inside of us because they hate God/Jesus. Who else hates Jesus is Satan– they are his children
    and he will not stop until the end. But we know who wins at the end, we do and Jesus, the King of Kings and
    the Lord of Lord’s. Let’s fight the good fight. We need to stop letting every Tom, Dick and Harry come into this country or we will be paying the price for it. Just like in New York, they want to build the Mosk near ground zero.
    Now what foolish politician would allow something like that? Only those, from their own country who we have voted in.
    Stop voting for people who are against Christians. Stop voting for communists.

    Comment by Concerned — January 5, 2011 @ 11:39 pm

  6. What astonishes me is the long lack of a sense of outrage by the Christian establishment in America on radical Islam attacks on Christians in the Holy Land. Bethlehem under Israel control was open to all and there was a sizable Christian population. But now Bethlehem is almost as Christian free as Hamas and Palestine Authority controlled areas are Judenrein. Most Christians have fled due to Arab threats and actual violence and yet one hardly hears about this ‘cleansing’. Where is the Christian groundswell against this abhorrent behavior?

    Comment by Ron S — January 6, 2011 @ 12:44 am

  7. 5.I find it interesting that the politicans and most news organizations fail to seriously discuss these events. People wring their hands and gasp if you talk about the truth of Islam and their fanatics, but feel free to disparage jews and christians. I guess that’s because we don’t assasinate people at the slightest offence.
    As a follower of Yeshua, I think the nation of Israel has the right to posses ALL of the territory the LORD gave them!

    Comment by Gregg M — January 6, 2011 @ 12:58 am

  8. In that environment, the middle east, you have to take your guns to church.
    Don’t ever back down from crazy people.

    Comment by Erik Osbun — January 6, 2011 @ 4:12 am

  9. God bless you, Gregg Meade and the others who have read their Bibles and know that God gave that land to the Jewish people,his chosen people, and to them alone.
    And yes, why are we letting them come here and build their heathernistic places of worship all the while that they are murdering God’s chosen children? When will we stand up for Israel and stop pushing them to give away their God-given land and meanwhile protect these same people here in this country? America had better wake up! My Bible states that God will bless all those who bless Israel and curse those who curse her.
    It doesn’t and can’t get any clearer than that!!!

    Comment by Kay — January 6, 2011 @ 4:18 am

  10. Help us battle the world wide campaign to de-legitimize Israel.

    Comment by The Shilouv Project — January 6, 2011 @ 6:08 am

  11. When we stand with Israel, we stand with all persecuted religious minorities in the Middle East.
    Protect it’s borders better than we are protecting ours. Teach us how to do it.

    Comment by Don Jusko — January 6, 2011 @ 6:23 am

  12. All who are not Muslim are infidels in the eyes of Islam. The Quran clearly states this ideology.
    And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods
    with God (Allah) wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush…Sura 9:15 “the verse of the sword”
    This verse was quoted by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed mastermind of the 9/11 attacks and by Osama bin Laden in his “Declaration of war against the Americans occupying land of the 2 Holy Places”.

    Comment by Bart Britt — January 6, 2011 @ 8:38 am

  13. To Patricia
    There is no wall around Bethlehem. There is approximately 100 meters of a concrete wall. I have been there.
    There is no occupation by Israel as Israel was promised in a covenant to Abraham in the Torah. Read Genesis 12:1-3

    Comment by Bart Britt — January 6, 2011 @ 9:09 am

  14. If Zionism can hold hands with John Hagee, they are capable of anything to further their goals. David Brog, how do you sleep at night, knowing what you know and promoting hate every day of your life?

    Comment by Dee — January 6, 2011 @ 11:59 am

  15. Wow. Is it obvious to you (reader) who here has posted the exact opposite of the truth? Who has posted the exact opposite of what THEY truly believe? If you have not learned your history, if you have not learned about “propaganda” in the Nazi regime- you may not recognize what is going on with some of these posts. This would be a very interesting comment line-up, if it wasn’t in fact dangerous. We have here an exact replication of similar propaganda thru the ages. In fact, it is the same story with all who walk in truth. Violent people Twist reality and point at the one who hasn’t wronged them, making that person or group look like the perpetrator when they defend themselves.
    That’s why it is not interesting. Perverted comes from a word that has the meaning “to twist.” The truth is perverted by many of these posts for a dangerous, serious, and dark reason. Too bad it can be accomplished right out in the open here, in the news, and in the general population due to a lack of understanding.

    Comment by Teresa Hatler — January 6, 2011 @ 1:04 pm

  16. Noone knows the fact of islam more than a christian lives in the middle east.
    Islam is based on lies.while muslims are making so much noise about what so-called israel occupation of Arab land.the real fact is that the muslim themselfs are the major occupier in the world take EGYPT as an example EGYPT used to be a christian country untill the ARAB occupaiers invasioned it and nothing remains the same. they have destroyed everything even the COPTIC language has been replaced by ARABIC language now as christians we are facing unprecedented discrimination at all leves.we are denied the basic rights such freedom of worshipping and freedom of build a church we have to get a presidantial permission which is very difficult even impossible to get.but to build a MOSQUE nothing is more easier just start building even on the land owned by the government.
    No one I mean no one kills a christian and being punished.but the real threat is not muslims but THE QURAN the holy muslim book which by its terror teaching fuels the muslims terrorists to kill thinking that killing is an act of obedience to thier ALLAH.
    We know there is no help to us because we have been forgotten from the christians in EUORPE and US.
    we look only at the above direction where GOD who loves and knows every thing can protect us from this persecution.
    finally i want to warn you all EUROPE and US people that by openning your countries to muslims immigrants before long you will see the destructions of you civilization which based on CHRISTIAN-VALUES.
    wake up now or it will be too late.

    Comment by samy — January 6, 2011 @ 2:47 pm

  17. In multicultural cum multireligious settings, there is neither Jew, nor Arab or gentiles. The businessman or employer of labor is only interested in the best services they can render. Religion is a personal affair, if you want to serve God, go ahead either publicy or privately. God is invisible. Anyone claiming his own God is the best is sheer deceit. Don’t fight for God, allow God to fight for himself. Don’t fight for God’s people, allow God to fight for his people. Let us not follow politicians, warmongers and religious bigots to spread hatred and shedding of innocent blood. Let the various aggrieved groups and religious sects look for the real source of their problems and stop bombing churches and attacking worshippers who are their to worship the almighty God their own way. Afterall, Jews and Arabs have been living together in love, unity and peace until 1948. Let the western Christians, policians and instigators, allow the middle east to find a middle east solution to their problems. The europeans, americans and Asians have enough of their own problems to tackle. Let them face them squarely. Enough of evil predictions and prophecies of doom.

    Comment by Bekepu — January 6, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

  18. Palestinian/Arab Christians are among the most devout Christians in the world because inspite of everything they know that Christianity is the true path to God. And this is why the coming years will be very difficult for them. This is what the Islamatic extremists have realized- “if Christianity is so wrong then how come there are Palestinians and Arabs who are Christians, even to this day”? They have not been able to convince Christians to change their religion and they are incapable of doing do through holy deeds. The easy way therefore is to kill them off or run then out of the Middle East. Let us not kid ourselves the ultimate goal of Islamic extremists is to create a Middle East that is 100% Muslim. The problem is that many Muslim/Arab governments in this region share that view. That is why people who respect the freedom of religion and religious tolerance must unconditionally support all religious minorities in the Middle East.

    Comment by John Williams — January 6, 2011 @ 3:33 pm

  19. Ohhh Samy-I don’t forget you :`(

    Comment by Teresa Hatler — January 6, 2011 @ 3:40 pm

  20. Is the State of Israel resonsible for the fact that no other religion is permitted in Saudi Arabia but that Saudi Arabia sponsors the building of mosques in Christian countries? Is Israel responsible for the fact that it is encouraged in Egypt for a Christian to become a Muslim but it becomes dangerous and discouraged by authorities for a Muslim to become Christian? Is Israel responsible for the persecution of religious minorities in Iran?

    Comment by John Williams — January 6, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

  21. No Christian that knows God’s word would go against the jewish people and State. Read your Bible!!!!

    Comment by Michelle — January 6, 2011 @ 5:38 pm

  22. Bart Britt: Amen! God gave that land to Israel long ago. Since when does the UN supercede the Most High? If anyone is in violation, it is UN and others who are trying to take Israel’s land away from them, which by the way, unless I am mistaken (I have been at times) was agreed on by the UN when Israel again became a nation.

    Comment by suzan — January 6, 2011 @ 6:28 pm

  23. Thanks David, happy new year! As usual, there is always a varied response to your blog posts! I’ve been following the plight of persecuted christians in muslim countries for awhile, a tragedy for the global church that we are not more aware of what is happening to our fellow believers. But there are some amazing organisations like Open Doors and International Christian Concern who are doing the best they can to help them in the midst of oppresive opposition.
    The parallels between jewish history and the discrimination suffered prior to the progroms in Europe and the atrocities of WWII should be enough for christians around the world to have a far more concerted effort in standing up against these extreme islamic threats. There is just no excuse for this! Anyway, thanks for the blog post.

    Comment by Elissa — January 7, 2011 @ 12:17 am

  24. We must advocate for tax levies that will be sufficient to fund the protections we want, against the evil social processes.

    Comment by Jim de Vries — January 8, 2011 @ 8:27 pm

  25. When I read about these methodical attacks perpetrated against people who are just trying to live their lives, and in these cases wanted to simply go to Church, I get outraged and frustrated that it has happened and that it keeps happening! When will the Church wake up? We all need to understand at least I need to and I am preaching to myself that we need to embrace the faith in God that Jesus spoke of ~ 2000 years ago when He walked in flesh as God in Man form! We need to drop all of our preconceptions and drop to our knees and ask God to help us. God’s apple of His eye is being and has been bloodied and murdered all through history because the salvation of the world came through the Jews, and that salvation is Jesus Christ. Our Bible says that God is no respecter of persons and this is proved out by the fact that He sent his only Son to earth to walk among us. He walked, preached, taught; cast out demons, healed the sick……. God sent Jesus to the Jews first but as the New Testament documents He also reached out and healed and loved those beyond the Jews.
    God loves us all no matter our race, religion and creed, or job description. When Jesus hung on the cross he bled and died and paid the sacrifice for all of us, Jews and Gentiles alike. There is no one on this earth now who can rightly judge another person no matter the offense until that person asks for their own forgiveness from God and those around who they themselves offended, E.G. the Lord’s Prayer.
    Jesus set up a New Covenant when he walked among us and said to us, ‘love those who hate you’. ‘ Be kind and pray for your enemy’s’. I know it is difficult for people to read about these murders and senseless crimes against people who did not expect that to happen to them. So I say like others say let us continue to pray for the peace of Jerusalem! Let us stick up and say something for those among us who can’t defend themselves. Let us help the least among us and the most important of all for me is to not only write these words, but back them with faith and in action. Prayer, forgiveness and release of sin on my life will free me by asking the Lord to forgive me and for me to live a life of gratitude by extending forgiveness to those who wish me harm. As a follower of Christ I will be a target for the enemies of God no matter what I do or where I go on this earth. I will along, with all followers of Christ always be a target. It is all up to me and my faith in God and to trust in Him for all things so that I can walk with my head up and to reach out to others. No matter what happens I must live my life for God, by loving others anywhere I am.
    My prayer:
    Dear God
    I come to you after reading this article and the devastating perspective it paints. Lord it tells all of us that now more than ever ho w much we need you! Lord these stories of bloodshed and murder break my heart. But Lord in as much humility and brokenness as I can muster I know that not only does this break your heart, it breaks it into ways I can‘t even fathom. Lord God in the name of Jesus I pray for the Peace of Jerusalem and for the safety of all Jews everywhere. Dear God I also pray for those who follow your Son Jesus, those in all countries and walks of life those who are right now in harm’s way! Lord God put you Angels around them so as to form a shield that will protect them and their families.
    Lord help me to pray as Jesus did. To pray in faith and courage that you will stand by your word and if I ask something in your name that you will do it. We must walk in your love and pray for those who use and abuse us, kill us. Lord remind me to forgive, as you have forgiven me. Lord please protect us from the evil one.
    Lord I ask these things in Jesus name. Amen.
    Dave Lowry
    Hales Corners WI

    Comment by Dave Lowry — January 9, 2011 @ 10:36 am

  26. To the Jewish & Arab world, the Pope is the representative of all Christians worldwide, whether it’s true or not, & whether we like it or not. They equate us with the people who kept the dark ages dark rather than give up control of the people, the ones who promised absolution from any & all sins, no matter how heinous, for those who would go to the Crusades that raped both religions in the Middle East after they’d raped women, the land, the farms, the crops, ravaging things all the way from their starting point to the Middle East. The people who started the Inquisition to stop the Protestant Reformation. The people who put thousands of Protestants in jail or shipped them to overseas colonies to die & got ticked off when they formed the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada…the ones who shoved every Jew into one area, often locking them in a walled area to prevent interaction except at predefined times & to enable them, at will, to start a fire & kill all of the Jews at one time if the fancy struck them.
    They don’t see a difference between the Roman & the Orthodox Church, the denomination to which most Middle Eastern Christians belong. There are some similarities in ritual expressions, but the intent behind them is different & they do not recognize the Pope as their leader. nor did they condone the Crusades, from which they suffered for not being Roman Catholics. That doesn’t matter to Muslims, who just target them along with any other Christian denomination.
    Keep in mind, please, that I am speaking of the Roman Catholics here as an organization, not the individual members who quite often do not follow the worship of Mary & the saints, & who do believe Jesus died for their sins & who try to follow in His footsteps. There are more of these than most people realize; they do not agree with the political machine that is their church hierarchy, & they stay in the rank & file to try & reach other Catholics, to get them to come to Jesus. I am also not speaking of those Muslims for whom jihad is a war against sinfulness in their lives, not a call to destroy every non-Muslim in the world.
    The Jews believe Christians worship 3 gods & are therefore pagan. The Shema Yisrael is their yardstick; God is one, not 3 in one, to them. That means we’re pretty much lumped in together regardless of denominational differences & without concern for their differences. Worshipping a triune God is worshipping a triune God to them, regardless of what they’d likely consider nitpicking differences in doctrine between denominations. Which means, they also don’t see a difference between cultural Christians & real believers, even if they know the difference between Orthodox, Reform, Hassidic, & cultural Judaism. A Jew is a Jew, in many of their opinions, whether or not he or she believes in God. Jews have been persecuted for 2 millennia even if they were atheists. They have a common history, a common culture that has survived years of dispersion to all parts of the world, & this ties them together, along with the persecution. They fight for their right to survive. To them, any Muslim, even the rare ones who view jihad only as a war against the sin nature & not as a call to kill all non-Muslims, is still a Muslim, & a Christian, whether they just go to church & have no real belief or are ardent evangelicals bent on helping Israel just because the Bible says so, are still lumped in with the Roman church. Neither is trustworthy to them; they have 2 millennia of betrayal, murder, & abuse that shouts more loudly than, “I don’t want to hurt, I want to help.”
    I say this by way of explaining why Mossad wouldn’t really bother trying to kill Christians.
    They don’t need to. Muslims will do the job for them.
    I think a lot of Jews, seeing Muslims & Christians at odds, see this as a good thing, as evidence that the Pope won’t be able to continue his machinations in the Middle East. They see it as allies dividing, & because they don’t see the difference in denominations all the time, they’re happy to let Muslims & Christians duke it out, likely hoping that if they don’t wipe each other out, the number of enemies will at least decrease by attrition. They don’t understand that the Muslims aren’t targeting Roman Catholics in most cases; they prefer to get rid of Orthodox & Evangelical believers. Even if they wipe out Roman Catholic churches, likely they’re getting the few who believe in the atonement, eschew worship of saints & angels, & try to live like Jesus did – getting rid of them benefits the Roman church organization. Mossad is not going to expend resources to do to their enemies what their enemies are doing for them.
    To a Jihad-is-war-against-infidels Muslim, everyone who isn’t a Muslim (or is the wrong sect of Muslim) is an infidel worthy of life only if he or she converts to Islam. That includes atheists, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Christians, agnostics, secular humanists (& yes, secular humanism does satisfy the requirements for a religion, as does communism). So, why don’t they bother Hindus, for example, or attack the Roman Catholics in various countries sometimes? Because Hindus are killing Christians. Some Buddhist sects are doing the same. Many pagan tribes do, not fully understanding about any religion except their own. In many primarily Roman Catholic countries, esp. in central & South America, once someone becomes an evangelical Christian, others in their village often burn them out & drive them away to starve in the wilderness, or kill them outright if they refuse to return to Roman Catholicism. All of this reduces the population of Christians in countries other than Europe & America, & there, indifference has made most Christianity cultural rather than a matter of faith; those people would as easily embrace Islam as any other belief system. They’re therefore no real threat, so they’re left alone.
    As for any RC/Muslim bond, both of them are trying to use each other. The Pope wants Jerusalem as the seat of Christianity, or at least, his version of it. The Muslim world wants to put a mosque there. The Jews want to rebuild their temple there. While only one can win, the other 2 are sore losers. Letting them wipe each other out sounds like a really good idea to many of the beleaguered Jews.
    Any Satanic religion has, at its core, power hunger. The Pope wanted Rome because of the persecution of Christians under successive emperors starting with that crackpot Nero. He now wants Jerusalem & the Holy Land for the same reason the pope of roughly 1000 years ago sent in the Crusades – power over what they have dubbed “Christ killers,” which is nothing more than an inflammatory title aimed at letting the rank & file do his dirty work because people don’t like to think. Arabs didn’t like there being only 2 main religions, they felt left out, so the devil picked a resentful Arab, Mohammed, & started him on a false religion. For parallels in the New World, try Mormons & Jehovah’s Witnesses, who will try to get you in all sorts of legal & occupational trouble if you reject their proselytizing efforts – one tried to accuse me of criminal negligence to get me fired & jailed, promising to withdraw the accusations if I’d become a JW; God took care of that. My MGGF was a Mormon, & ever since we’ve settled in one place, they’ve sent Mormons to us as neighbors & tried to disrupt our family life repeatedly, to turn our child against us, promising to stop if I “returned to the faith of my fathers.” I’ve also been under pretty constant attack since I left the occult 30+ years ago. The devil, like the Lord, works through his followers. Satan works by using their sin nature & turning it into a virtue via false religion. The thing is, if you leave Jesus, while He won’t leave you, He’s not about to threaten you with death, unlike Satan. He’ll try to woo you back, but He won’t force you any more than He forced Adam & Eve to obey Him in the Garden.
    Satan knows he has lost, that Jesus defeated him on the cross. His goal now is to destroy God’s world, God’s creation, & God’s people, both the chosen race of Israel & those grafted onto the vine via the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. He wants to take as many people to hell with him as possible; misery loves company. Whether it’s spiritualism, voodoo, any of the non-evangelical-“Christian” religions, organized religion with no evidence of true Christianity, the goal is the same: power.
    But there was one question I posed as a kid, about the powers that we fought in WWII, & the same question applies here:
    What happens if they actually get to kill off everyone they hate? If they actually did get rid of every Jew (NOT going to happen, the Bible promises that, so this is purely theoretical), every real Christian, & if the Muslims & Roman church managed to end all the other world religions once there were no more real Christians & no more Jews, leaving only the Muslims & the Roman Church, both powerful organizations with tons of resources at their disposal?
    The same thing that would have happened if the Nazis, who believed themselves to be the Master Race destined to rule the world, & the Japanese Imperialists, who believed the Japanese race was destined to rule at least the Asian world, if not the entire world, had won WWII.
    They’d have gone to war with one another.
    The world would have ended in a ball of flame.
    The same thing is going to happen once believers are taken up to be with the Lord, whether it’s before, during, or after the Tribulation-the Roman church & the Muslims will throw their mostly-poor members, who have nothing to lose & (according to what they’ve been told) Paradise to gain, at each other with every weapon at their disposal. I know the Muslims have no problem with nuclear warfare. Even if the Roman church did, if one side starts with that, the other will have to use the existing stockpiles to retaliate.
    The world will end in a ball of nuclear flames, in fire, just like the Bible predicts in both the old & new testaments.
    All of this is a part of Biblical prophecies, prophecies that can only be aborted if all the world comes to Jesus voluntarily, really comes to Him, not just joins some church somewhere & goes every Sunday morning. It doesn’t look like that will happen unless real believers get off their tushes, start helping the persecuted church, start fighting, in democratic societies, to get rid of legislation that persecutes believers, start getting cultural Christians to be real Christians, & start praying for, & doing whatever else they can, to ensure the peace of Jerusalem & give honor to God’s chosen people. We might not succeed, but we have to try.
    A lot depends on it.

    Comment by nerdse — January 14, 2011 @ 6:42 pm

  27. I belive that anyone that is against God and his chosen people are people that do not no Jesus the Christ, but know Lucifer and are a friend and a follower of him, and will fall and be placed in the lake of fire, so anyone that is a follower Islam is a follower of lucifer, so prepair for your fait.

    Comment by Bill Howard — January 19, 2011 @ 10:39 am

  28. There is never a need for torture. Gathering intelligence means using your head. Want to stop a nuclear plant? Throw egg shells in the incinerator.

    Comment by Glenn L. — January 19, 2011 @ 5:58 pm

  29. It is quite true that Islamic extremism is a dire threat to Christians and to the world at large. I quote from the holy scriptures, Ezekiel 23:20. Maybe also Jeremiah 18:21. No, here it is, 1st Samuel 15:3.

    It was Okay for the Jews to slay and terrorize to establish the Jewish state, because that is biblical. But I fear that they have lost their way: Here — As God is my witness.

    Comment by Bitin Dawg — January 23, 2011 @ 6:07 pm

  30. I support Israel- the people- and in reading this site (as well as others regarding Christian Zionism)… I am noticing that if I show ANY compassion for the suffering of Palestinians/Arabs – this particular theology labels me ‘against Israel’. As though loving one requires hating the other. To the author of this website – is this your view?

    Comment by Deborah — July 7, 2011 @ 10:13 pm

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